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  • #75001

    radii8
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    Are they just for individual cyclists or could they benefit everyone?

    Having watched gridlock along along New Oxford Street / Bloomsbury Way this morning I wonder why the authorities haven’t realised the benefit of having physically segregated cycle lanes not just for individual cyclists and commuters – but for the emergency services such as police and paramedics?

    A network across London that serves cyclists and allows emergency services quick access around London to keep Londoners safe, could transform this city.

    Any thoughts?

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    #85265

    Bimbles
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    Never going to happen. The money (and physical space!) involved would be prohibitive.

    #85266

    radii8
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    I imagine similar arguments were put forward against roadworks. Roadworks remove lanes for months at a time, yet traffic still flows.

    Any other views to add to the argument for/against? (perhaps some figures to back them up?)

    #85267

    martinc
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    I’m not a figures man, but I agree with radii8 totally. In fact, London Cycling Campaign’s ‘Go Dutch’ campaign is precisely about this, making dedicated space for cyclists, which is safe. Many European cities manage it, I don’t see why London can’t. with the mayoral election only days away, we should be asking the candidates whether they want to maintain the status quo or, better, encourage people out of cars and onto bikes by making segregated and safe cycling facilities like they have in Holland and elsewhere. Boris bikes aren’t going to get beyond the current users until our streets are safe for less confident cyclists too.

    #85268

    Bimbles
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    Ok, take Oxford Street as an example.

    It’s a single carriageway road with one lane of traffic eastbound and one lane westbound. When roadworks take place and remove one of these lanes all the buses & taxis have to be diverted. How will you fit a dedicated cycle lane in here? Would you permanently divert the traffic along the whole length of the road and make it one way only?

    Then you’ve got the cost of installing the kerb stones along the length of the road.

    Then you’ve got the cost of the signage.

    Then you’ve got to consider if the traffic lights need changing (either phasing or the addition of low level lights for the cyclists).

    Then you’ve got to consider the knock-on effect of the diverted traffic on the surrounding streets.

    Then you’ve got to consider the resistance from the retailers that half the number of buses & taxis now stop outside their shops.

    Then you’ve got to get it passed by a planning committee and funded from somewhere…

    Where roads are being completely re-modelled, then yes, I can see there is an argument for trying to get something done, but with regard to retrofitting onto the already packed central London roads, I simply can’t see it happening.

    #85269

    cyclingnewbie
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    That’s a terrible example Bimble – Oxford Street is not a typical London road – it is unique in its problems (should have been fully pedestrianised years ago IMO).

    Tottenham Court Road is a more interesting one. Camden council are genuinely considering converting this to semi-pedestrianised for bicycles only – two way traffic would be diverted to Gower St instead.

    There are many wide busy roads, with few shops, which could easily spare some roadspace for a cycle lane.

    #85270

    ozzage
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    The shops argument is a joke anyway.

    Just like in pedestrianised areas – retailers always resist and then later find out that they’re actually better off without having cars parking in front. Virtually all studies find the same thing.

    #85271

    cyclingnewbie
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    Yes indeed. Who parks outside shops to go shopping in London anyway? This isn’t LA!!

    #85272

    Bimbles
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    I never mentioned parking – I was talking about buses and taxis stopping.

    Yes, I admit I used an extreme example in citing Oxford Street, but it was to emphasise the problems that would have to be considered.

    #85273

    radii8
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    Replying to @Bimbles‘s post:

    ^ traffic one way, two way cycle lane. That way neither the cycle lane nor the pedestrians getting on/off the bus get in the way. Deliveries allowed down Oxford Street evenings only. The outcome? Better bus journey times. They did it in Tottenham Court Road and the world didn’t end.

    But I expect the black cabbies wouldn’t agree.

    #85274

    radii8
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    Replying to @cyclingnewbie‘s post:

    “Tottenham Court Road is a more interesting one. Camden council are genuinely considering converting this to semi-pedestrianised for bicycles only – two way traffic would be diverted to Gower St instead.”

    Really? I hope they do. :-)

    Perhaps that could be part of a more joined up North-South segregated cycle route in London

    #85275

    Bimbles
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    Replying to @radii8‘s post:

    There would only be better bus journey times in one direction.

    #85276

    radii8
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    ^ Replying to @Bimbles‘s post:

    The buses are redirected eastbound north of Oxford Street since Crossrail works reduced Oxford Street to one lane so better bus journey times all round, if they chose to keep the arrangement.

    But I agree with cyclingnewbie that Oxford Street is not a typical London street and needs a holistic and unique approach whatever it is they decide to do.

    #85277

    radii8
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    It would be nice if Oxford Street were one of their ‘flagship’ streets that the four major Mayoral candidates have now signed up for in the ‘Love London Go Dutch’ manifesto from LCC because of its iconic status.

    #85278

    Bimbles
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    Replying to @radii8‘s post:

    Better journey times? What planet are you living on?

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